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Alamo Fast Draw Episode 31 Bob Mernickel
Lledslinger: Well I’m going to get on with the show. Hello Bob Mernickel how’re you doing tonight?
Bob Mernickel: I’m doing great how are you doing?
Lledslinger: Bob I’ve been waiting while to get you on the show and we finally got something lined up and I’m glad to have you here.
Bob Mernickel: I appreciate that, it was a little bit coming, you have asked me a number of occasions. It’s just my schedule is so tight is just incredible. I’m really glad to be here for you.
Lledslinger: That’s why we didn’t own father’s day because that seemed to be the only one that worked out for you and that was fine with me I like to stay home and do what I want to own Father’s Day and my birthday and I don’t always get to do that.
Bob Mernickel: Yeah well when I’m done here my wife’s taken me out for dinner, so that will work.
Lledslinger: I think the first question I was starting out with tonight, is just the usual question I start out with and that is how did you get into fast draw?
Bob Mernickel: Well I actually worked back in the early seventies no actually late sixties I should say. I worked in a shake and shingle mill and Canada up and the British Columbia area and a friend of mine that I hung with in the mill coax me into coming out and trying it. In those days I also used to drag race so I had to make a decision between going to take a look in a fast draw shoot are going to a drag race event that I already did. So it took me awhile to get me shooting but the night that I started is it never ended after that, I’ve been here every sense.
Lledslinger: Sounds like we have something else in common I like drag racing to.
Bob Mernickel: I put fast draw right up there with drag racing because it’s you against the clock and it’s the same thing with drag racing. I found it extremely exuberanting if you will.
Jim Martin: What kind of cars did you race?
Bob Mernickel: I had a few of them, I had a 66 Fairlane, I used to run a F stocker that ran about a 13 flat. I was a door slammer guy and I had a lot of fun with that. I had a 69 428 Cobre Jet Mustang that I was pushing solid twelves that was basically stopped, it was a pretty nice car. I wish I had it to day.
Blackbird: bob are you talking to us from Canada right now?
Bob Mernickel: No I’m not, I live in Nevada just outside Reno we moved here about six years ago approximately. We moved our company and as one of the gun writers said we moved our company families and beanie babies!
Blackbird: I guess you must have moved into an area that is of little friendlier toward gun related sports.
Bob Mernickel: You know it is but I’ll tell you coming from Canada and British Columbia in general and living here there’s a lot of differences but there’s a lot of similarities to. The fallacy is that you can not only gun and Canada and that’s exactly what it is is a fallacy. You just have to go through a lot more paperwork in order to get it then say here in the state of Nevada. But equally sad you go through just as much paperwork in the state of California an issue due Canada.
Blackbird: I was saying that you sent me a very beautiful catalog of generously cut western style holsters and I was very impressed, very favorably impressed if anything they were better than the very fine pictures I’ve seen in the gun magazines of your work. One thing that disturbs me a little bit it seemed like all the guns that were in the holsters were not real guns they were ripped the type guns. That would be a Canadian holster catalog.
Bob Mernickel: Oh yeah you’re right that was an old catalog and if you have a copy of that I think you probably should hang onto it, it might even be worth a few dollars one day. When I put my very first catalog together Bryan who is the guy that help me put it together and actually still does all my catalog work to this very day. If you’ve ever been on our website as well as all our new catalogs have all been put together by him he does a fabulous job. No going back to what you were talking about on the catalog yes in the early days in Canada it was difficult for me to acquire guns for the catalog at the spur of the moment when I needed them. At the same time I dealt with a company that handled what we call aluminum dummy guns in the early catalog and that so we got the message out.

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Alamo Fast Draw Episode 30 Red River
LLedslinger: The Red River its a movie that I have seen many times before because I have watched these movies so many times and I really don’t get tired of watching them. I may not watch them every day but I’ll see it on a knoll watch it again so I’m going to call it a classic because it’s an older movie into something that to watch over and over again, to me that the classic. I think other people have other ideas maybe. I’m going to go to Blackbird first night and see what he thinks about the statement I just made.
Blackbird: I don’t think you can get much more classic then Red River. You’ve got a classic movie, a classic semi western bits about going to see Red River at the local cinema The Last Picture Show. Remember that movie The Last Picture Show where they go to Ben Johnson’s movie theater and he runs his print of a Red River and they decide best the best movie there ever was and maybe they’re right.
Lledslinger: There are so many of them that I hate to to say the best there ever was for any of them because they were so many good ones. I guess I can definitely see where somebody might think that.
Blackbird: Yes will 1946 and I think it was well ahead of his time in many ways they really draw character and they have some great lines, some great dialogue and the picture.
Lledslinger: Do have a favorite line out of the movie Red River?
Blackbird: I don’t know that I do but I generally like the the dialog it’s very authentic, not as good as it was going to get in another 10 years. The dialect and the dialogue was very good. Noah Beery Jr. sounds good and a lot of these people could ride to. Either in a particular players you are interested in?
Lledslinger: We’re just talking generally. We have several in their, stuff like whether city at the table and their betting on poker and then he wins his teeth there so many good lines throughout the movie.
Blackbird: Chief Yowlachie he was a real Indian and I don’t know what tried but I bet Jim knows. He’s playing with Walter Brennan for Brennan’s teeth as it turns out. He wins the teeth he goes you get’em tooth when I get paid.
Jim Martin: Then he said ( What are you going to do with them teeth. Change name. What are you going to change your name to. Two Jaw Quo.) Because of the teeth. He had such a beautiful voice until you back if it had been another 10 or 15 years later he would’ve been doing commercials with that wonderful deep voice of his. He was such a unique Indian actor there’s not much known about Chief Yowlachie. He was born in 1891 and he died in 1966 his real name was Daniel Simmons that was his American name. He worked in a total of 40 films six serials and 17 features and that’s about the extent of what known about him. He’s kind of a mysterious guy, he lived out there in the San Fernando valley along with out of the rest of the Indians. Rod Redwing, Jay Silverheels, and one other guy they all lived on Clump Avenue out there in a section of the San Fernando valley were a lot of the minor actors and supporting actors lived.
Blackbird: The one who was Tonto before Jay Silverheels (Chief Thundercloud).
Jim Martin: Chief Thundercloud and his real name was victor Daniels. He worked out there and Corrigan Ville I met him several times out there in fact I think I mentioned to you before about my old friend Charlie Aldridge he was the a guest to call him general fact totem of Coragan Ville out there. Charlie told me Chief Thundercloud actually died in his arms out there in Coragan Ville. Evidently he was getting old and wasn’t working very much that he was staying out there finally got sick and he died right out there. At least that’s the story I got anyway.
Blackbird: I want is going to say Walter Brennan he was good to listen to for the dialect. A lot of people say but Gee there doesn’t seem to be in a real western dialect in these movies. The thing is whether it’s intentional or not wasn’t much of a western dialect going in the mid 19th century. These are people from back east, the cowboys, the ranch owners, the farmers the way they talked was what they grew up with back east somewhere or down south. Walter Brennan has always been accepted for his rustic dialect but he took it from western Massachusetts. He said one day down on the farm this old east anglian English that the Pilgrims would have brought with them. It’s not a western at all but it has a rustic sound to it and people accept it.
Jim Martin: A lot of people don’t know this but Randolph Scott got his original start in the movies being a voice coach. It was because of his southern accent, he was actually coaching some of the early actors that were doing talkie movies in the early to late 1929s early 1930s and everything and he was a voice coach and teaching these people to speak with a southern dialect.
Blackbird: It’s interesting how the southern dialect in the regional area where I believe he’s from which is fairly close to the Gulf of Mexico. They had a lot to do with New York commercially and the similarities between Randolph Scott speaking in his southern dialect same time to go to work in the way the new yorker would say work. That shows that IE and between the two, they had a lot of trade going with New York and you find southerners like Randolph Scott city’s time to go to work.
Red River Actor’s and characters

John Wayne Thomas Dunson
Montgomery Clift-Matthew ‘Matt’ Garth
Joanne Dru-Tess Millay
Walter Brennan-’Groot’ Nadine
Coleen Gray-Fen (also as Colleen Gray)
Harry Carey-Mr. Melville (as Harry Carey Sr.)
John Ireland-Cherry Valance
Noah Beery Jr.-Buster McGee
Harry Carey Jr.-Dan Latimer
Chief Yowlachie-Quo (as Chief Yowlatchie)
Paul Fix-Teeler Yacey
Hank Worden-Simms Reeves
Mickey Kuhn-Matt, as a boy
Ray Hyke-Walt Jergens
Hal Taliaferro-Old Leather (as Hal Talliaferro)

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Alamo Fast Draw Episode 28 Frank Lawton
LLedslinger: The first thing I want to ask you is what got you interested and fast draw.
Frank Lawton: My wife and I were visiting a casino in Deadwood and a couple of the guy’s that worked in the casino asked me about it, would you like to try it? I said sure I’d like to try it someday, and they said how about right now. If 10:00 PM where the heck are you gonna do this and he said at my house. So he took us up to his house, he showed me the targets and the wax bullets and we started to shoot, that’s what got me very interested in it. The fact that you could shoot it in your garage in your barn or whatever the case may be.
Lledslinger: That’s what I like about it to, if I feel like shooting I just walk into the garage or the shop and get started.
Frank Lawton: Instead of packing a whole bunch of stuff and leave the house you can practice for 15 minutes or you can practice for 15 hours except you.
Lledslinger: Lets go to the Hollywood Fast Draw, you wanted to talk about the Hollywood Fast Draw and I want to hear more about it.
Frank Lawton: Alright well about a year ago as you know World Fast Draw has developed into high speed high-tech type drawing and about a year ago we started to think about going back to basics. Back when the fast draw begin which is back in the fifties all those TV shows with their stars, they’ll get together and had a shoot and they were using the old Hollywood fast draw or the Hollywood style holsters so we figured let’s go back to basics. Giving our shooters the opportunity to shoot more than just one type or one style of shooting and is taken off and it’s well received. It’s basically using the old style Hollywood fast draw rigs and standard 45s and of course we do have two styles of shooting index and the elimination and we have 6 to 8 different targets. So it gives you a variety of targets to shooting at and against the host the opportunity to design a contest that would be favorable to the area that the most people would like. Big issue tremendous amount of flexibility and it’s a lot of fun.
Lledslinger: I haven’t tried the Hollywood fast draw but basically which all are doing is the same as some of the shooting we’ve been doing down here and we’re trying to promote fast draw in general. I figured when I started the show I talk about all the different fast draw organizations.
Wes Flowers: Question please? Frank how do you shoot it, do you shoot it almost like Cowboy Fast Draw do you use almost any holster and gun and what ever.
Frank Lawton: Well it’s similar to your Cowboy Fast Draw we do allow the Hollywood style holster which CFDA does not. That would be allowed its 45s the same and of course we have index and elimination plus the 6 to 8 different targets that you can use. And of course the distance goes from 5 to 21 feet . So you as a host could design a contest that most of the shooters like in your area.
Wes Flowers: good OK I just wondered about that. I haven’t had a chance to shoot Hollywood Fast Draw because of my problems. But since it came out I haven’t had a chance to shoot it and I just want to know of what it really consist of.
Dave Livingston: I had a request from one of the people at Durango do have a Hollywood Fast Draw at Durango on Friday when we have our celebrity contest and I told me as we could do that ’cause you’re going to have time. We start the celebrity WFDA contest at one and so it will go a couple of hours and then we can have the Hollywood Fast Draw from 3:00 on. There’s a guy up their longtime SASS shooter in fact he used to be on the board of directors in the past and he shoots a 45 colt, he shoots out of a SASS holster. He wanted to try Hollywood Fast Draw and I said yes we can do that.
Frank Lawton: Also back about a year ago we started to take a look at our world champions in the WFDA. When you start talking to them you find out that they began shooting 12 13 14 years old and they progressed so far that they’re on the top. So I started to look at the different children that are shooting in our sport and I figured well we should come up with something special for them to recognize them and help them come along. The future of our sport is the youth and if they’re not getting the education about how we do it in what we do with firearms then we have a problem. So we came up with Billy the Kid and just this past weekend no not this week the weekend before in Deadwood we recognized the Billy the Kid world champions for the first time. Which was well received.

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Winchester "73

Alamo Fast Draw Episode 28, Jimmy Stewart, Western Movie Star, and one of my favorite Gunfighter movie star’s.
Lledslinger: Tonight we’re talking about Jimmy Stewart guys.
Jim Martin: When we first got on I thought were on the air but we weren’t. I was recently reading an article I believe it was in the Rifleman or it might’ve been in Shoot Magazine I can’t remember which about Tom Selleck movie (Quigley Down Under) and the Sharps rifle. The Sharps companies had a hell of an increase in business the orders for the Sharks rifle just went through the roof and I think now there are about two years behind. The Point I’m trying to make, when Jimmy Stewart made that one about the Winchester “73 one in 1000 ( Winchester ‘73 (1950) ) that did a hell of a revival for that rifle at the same time just like Tom Selleck’s the movie did for the Sharps. Everybody and their brother wanted the Winchester 73 and of course everybody wanted a one and 1000 and so forth. You know there just wasn’t that many around it was a neat rifle and everything, I know it peeked my interest back then. I think I’m not sure it was around 1954 (1950) that movie came out was that it. But I know it really piqued my interest and the rifle at that time of course I’ve always been into guns every sense I can remember. I was really unfamiliar about that particular model of gun up to that particular point, then after I got my interest going I decided I would look into it and do some research and find out more about it. Of course the whole theory was that the 1000th gun that was made, the tooling was finally perfect and that was the best one of the original 1000 that was manufactured because of the way the tooling wore, at least that’s what they put out in their information. In recent times going over to a little slightly different subject, several years ago Ruger changed over the bore of their 4440s. To 429 rather than a 427 like the old Colts and the reason they did it again goes back to the tooling. Now all they have to do is buy one sized tooling and they make the 4440 in the 44 magnums the same bore diameter because it’s cheaper for them to buy the tooling. When the tool wear’s quite obviously that’s when the dimensions change, that was the whole point I was trying to make their was Ruger changing over. The other gun companies have followed suit, one of the problems I have is when I buy my bullets I have a hell of a time finding my 427s now because of this conversion and the Colts’ I have are 427 bore and I can’t be shooting 429s through that bore. So these are the little changes they’ve made in the manufacturing and I don’t know what that’s got to do with the Jimmy Stewart but that’s where I ended up!
Lledslinger: (laughing) I told you at the beginning we were just going to see where things go, because sometimes it’s just nice to let the show go just talk and visit. I think sometimes that makes for a good show. How about the scene at the contest were they throw up in the air and shoot. I know I’ve seen people do that on TV and am not saying it’s wrong but I’m saying it would be very difficult to get to be that good.
Blackbird: If I could say something about that. Herb Parsons along on that set, and Herb Parsons you probably know it’s a great shotgun and rifle man. He coached people in how to carry the rifle and how to handle it generally. I think myself from what I’ve heard from these exhibition shooters, and I have not done that much exhibition shooting but I have really followed it as a fan. What they say is you can hit just about anything out of the air if you have a good thrower or if you have somebody you’re working with who can throw it just so every time, you can hit it. That goes for following a bullet or a pellet up in the air, a small a target as you can see you can hit.
Jim Martin: That’s very true. Neither one of you ever knew Bill Waller but we used to do shows together and what we did, we took some heater hose and made it into about a 10 inch circle and put a 12 inch balloon in it. I had to teach Bill how to throw that and he would throw two of those in the air, one by the other. As Blackbird said without the good thrower you can’t hit it and so I showed Bill how to do that to do that and we did a number of shows where he’d throw those balloons in the air and I would draw from a holster and break both of them. He had to time his throw so that I was able to tie my two shots so I could get both of those targets without missing them. When you’re doing a show you don’t wanna be up there making a fool of yourself, you want everything to be positive. But it’s true about the thrower once you get that throw in their there’s a certain peak in the arc of your target, this is when you want to be shooting it. The speed of the fort travel has diminished and the speed of the upward travel has diminished and that’s where you want to shooter your target right there.
Blackbird: What about that point Jim when this thing you have thrown reaches its apex and slows down about to go through a little metamorphosis, was done at that time?
Jim Martin: Thats when you want to hit it right there was almost stopped. That’s where you’ve got to time your shot. If you’ve got the good in hand it’s easier to do it then it is if you’re trying the gun from the holster you have to time it differently you have to draw the gun before it reaches its apex. If you’ve got the gun in hand you can wait for it to reach its apex and then you can just point shoot it and get it most of the time.
Blackbird: Steve you were saying some things in the movie couldn’t relate to and I do agree with that. I couldn’t understand why they did this business of suddenly tipping the rifle upright and then come on sight.
Jim Martin: That was Steven Mcnally that did that. That was strictly done for filming for the movie affect. It makes no sense whatsoever because of course the more you move the gun to order it is to hit.
Lledslinger: That would have been my question to but after the show the other night when we were talking about how a lot of the old cowboys would kind of snap that gun. I thought that was just done for the movies and I found out that wasn’t true that so they were doing it.
Blackbird: Well there are Fellows who will snap the gun to their shoulder that’s for certain. There are a shotgunners that can be very fast and snapping their gun around, it’s the style I think. Harry Carey in the movies used to snap his gun around, I think he’s the one who started that tipping and snapping for movie effects to make it look like your something unique, your own style and that your special style is going to win the day. I think the fans like that.

Jim Martin: Your talking about Harry Carey Sr. He was very good with a rifle.

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Jim Martin: Your talking about Harry Carey Sr. He was very good with a rifle.

Jimmy Stewart Western Movies
The Shootist (1976)
The Cheyenne Social Club (1970)
Firecreek (1968)
Cheyenne Autumn (1964)
How the West Was Won (1962)
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)
Two Rode Together (1961)
The Man from Laramie (1955)
The Far Country (1954)
Bend of the River (1952)
Broken Arrow (1950)
Winchester ‘73 (1950)
Destry Rides Again (1939)
This is just the one’s I can think off just now thier are more.

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Alamo Fast Draw Episode 27 History of Fast Draw
LLedslinger: The subject for tonight the origins of fast draw. The other night I was talking to Blackbird and I mentioned what I wanted to do on the show he made a comment I don’t really remember what the comment was exactly what I said I wanted to talk about the origins of fast draw. Now that doesn’t mean the origins of fast draw competition. I had read a book a while back called the First Fast Draw by Louis L’amour the story I guess was his way of giving up his theory of the first fast draw. When I mentioned that to blackbird he said well you want to go all the way back to sword’s or something along those lines. Blackbird is here tonight and were going to find exactly what he’d met by that and hopefully he will enlighten us. Blackbird how are you doing? Was I pretty close to what you said the other night.
Blackbird: Yeah if you can get real close to when swords begin we have leeway of several thousands or maybe 0.5 million years. I think the idea of the fast draw is part of maybe a or general idea of readiness. A lot of people got themselves killed when they were not just quite prepared for meeting their enemy when they were coming around the corner. It probably at least goes back to the time of sword when men habitually wore sword’s. They came up on an enemy unexpectedly, they went for their sword’s and their sword’s very often were fixed in a way that would make them handy and the fellow they got his sword cleared from the scabbard first was ready to chop or thrust was the fellow who won that day’s contest. So that’s what I meant by the day of the sword.
LLedslinger: When you first mentioned that to me it kind of caught me by surprise. But it didn’t take me long to kind of realize that that would be a very good possibility that that’s really how far it went back. You would draw that sword out quick and get into business.
Blackbird: Just look at the oldest paintings that you can find more woodcuts whenever you have for illustrations. Several hundred years ago the you see men with things like knife’s or dirks or swords and they’re stuck in a waistband of some sort at the very least. Very often there on the left side handy to the right hand reaching for them and their tilted in the direction of the right hand so the man can reach for that handle and swing this word out without having to raise his hand higher than his hat. I think the idea of being prepared were ready is a very old one it may go back beyond sword’s it might go back to clubs for all I know. I would guess that it’s an ancient idea and I think also if we could learn anything from this is very often we think of progress in fast draw in terms of the discovery of this or that point of how to build a holster or how to arrange a gun. The basic idea is really much older than the fellow who most recently popularized that idea.
Lledslinger: I think you probably find that in a lot of things out there that over the years we find that things we think are pretty new are not anywhere near as new as we were regionally thought.
Jim Martin: Back in the early days of Texas the Jim Bowie was a hell of a knife fighter, this is where we’re going to go a little bit from the sword’s to the knife’s. There was a famous fight between Jim Bowie and about four different people all at once. He took on all four of these guys or five I can’t remember exactly how many it was but he wiped them all out by himself with his bowie knife. Now that’s gonna be doggone fast. Bowie was very famous for being very fast with a knife so this is kind of a natural progression from what Bob was saying while ago with the sword. When you bring your weapon to bare fast it’s the fast draw it don’t make any difference whether it’s that or even a shovel for instance if you get that show up their first you’re going to beat the hell out of your opponent. It’s bringing a weapon to bare is what it amounts to.
LLedslinger: Yes and that’s why it made sense to me when I thought about it, I had just never thought about it that way and it just naturally progressed into guns.
Jim Martin: Then in colonial times when you had the flint locks they were carried in a Cumberbun as opposed to a holster and then when they progressed from the flint locks to the percussion cap they were still carry that way and generally a guy would carry two or three or even more because they were single shot pistols. You had to be an adept at pulling these things and getting them into the confrontation very fast and this is where I think the first fast draw with the guns, came from because this was up close and personal battles because once you fired your rifle you’re all done you haven’t got a chance to reload that rifle so you had to go to your pistols. I did an interview one time with a program called Arizona cowboy where I talked about this and the first time I saw the border shift ever done with muzzleloaders believe it or not Leslie Nielsen did it. He was playing the part of the Swap Fox and he drew one percussion cap at of his Cumberbun and shot it then swapped guns pulled the other gun and shot it and took his opponent out. He did a border shift to achieve that it’s the first time I never shot done with a percussion cap handgun. Disney research this because the Swamp Fox was a real person he was very famous back in his day.
LLedslinger: I think Blackbird had a comment on my comment about the natural progression.
Blackbird: I think there is a progression, I don’t think it’s necessarily a straight linear progression. I think their sort of a conversion of ideas that come and meet at some point and complement each other. I think the knife fighting that Jim mentioned the reason Bowie’s hook at the aft end and some people will talk about a little bit of a breast catcher on the upper side of the blade. These are sort of little technological things and I are very important but they don’t tell the whole story. There usually has to be some need for a thing in there has to be someone willing to push it along because of that need, what the sociologist used to call a push and a pull but to get back to earth. I think that the things that were converging at the time were the knife blading the sword fighting and the importance of being ready and quick along with the dueling pistol and the orders of dueling in the countries in which it was legal and in the countries in which it was illegal and dealing with those laws. I think the early dualist of the old west and they were called dualist probably much more often than shootist. It had as much to do with the code of dueling as they had to do with technical breakthroughs like the one very important one the six shotgun.

If any of you Gunfighters would like to hear more of this interveiw you can listen to episode 27 on the audio player(red) on the right side of this page. If you would like to join in the show live or listen live to the Alamo Fast Draw show or call 1-724-444-7444 show#16056. Whether you are a gunfighter or not its a fun show.

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